frank-primary: profile the GLM decode step and stage the compile changelist

A torch-profiler kernel-time window (496 decode tokens, rank0 trace parsed for
device-activity time) on the deployed GLM-5.3-Flash shape falsifies this page's
own "the expert gather is the bound" explanation:

  46.18 s of kernel time / 496 tokens = ~93 ms per token (actual step ~104 ms)
   34.8 %  vectorized_elementwise_kernel      708,500 launches (1,428/token)
   10.0 %  r4d_gemm_moe_w4a16_nt_b16_m64      (the MoE GEMM)
    6.7 %  elementwise_kernel_manual_unroll
    6.4 %  wvSplitK_hf_sml_                    (split-K GEMM)
    8.9 %  router: sbtopk + warpMergeSortTopK + bitonicSortKVInPlace
    6.5 %  r4d_mhc_*                           (hyper-connections)
    1.05 % r4d_moe_lru_gather_kernel           <-- the retracted suspect

The earlier arithmetic was circular (it assumed the gather consumed the whole
step). The real bound is unfused pointwise glue: the fork compiles its own Qwen
trunk (support_torch_compile in models/qwen4_exp/amd/model.py) and not its GLM
trunk, so the engine boots with "provides neither a compiled submodule nor
breakable CUDA graphs. Overriding to FULL_DECODE_ONLY." That also explains why
MTP4 measured flat — pointwise cost scales with the token count, so spec decode
amortizes nothing here — and it retires arena/hit-rate tuning (the gather is 1 %).

Staged as documented patch artifacts (not wired into any serve script; the
engine does not yet boot with them) — scripts/patches/glm53-compile-0{1,2,3}*.patch:

  -01 models/glm5next/common/model.py    decorate Glm5NextModel (R4D_GLM_COMPILE)
  -02 model_executor/kernels/r4d_lib.py  freeze 10 capability probes that do
      os.path.exists/.so lookups inside the traced forward. functools.lru_cache
      does NOT protect them: dynamo re-traces the wrapped body even when warm
      (verified in-image); a plain module-global read compiles.
  -03 compilation/wrapper.py             make fullgraph=True opt-out, because
      suppress_errors does NOT cover graph breaks and this trunk can never
      satisfy fullgraph (indexer metadata syncs to host — .item() at
      glm5next/amd/sparse_indexer.py:263,419).

With all three the trunk traces (Dynamo bytecode transform time 1.08 s) and dies
on KeyError: in_proj_qkvbfg_a in the mHC/KDA path — a latent bug the compile
exposes, and the remaining blocker.

Also records two structural constraints: no new HIP kernels are possible (r4d.so
ships without sources), which binary-blocks the fused router at GLM's 288
experts; and DFlash2 for GLM is a TARGET-side port, not a drafter port
(incoai/GLM-5.3-Flash-DFlash2 is architectures ["DFlash2DraftModel"] +
model_type qwen3, already mapped at registry.py:636; glm5next lacks only the
aux-hidden-state plumbing deepseek_v2.py demonstrates).

Runbook frontmatter, intro, mermaid and wall section, AGENTS.md and the work log
corrected to match the measurement. tests/run.sh: 362 seams pass.
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| Target | Service | Runtime | Model | Port |
|--------|---------|---------|-------|------|
| Dankserver | `frank-primary` | tcclaviger RDNA4 vLLM fork (`docker.io/tcclaviger/vllm@sha256:da4029666…`, digest-pinned, plain `podman run`, root systemd unit) | `Intel/GLM-5.3-Flash-W4A16-AutoRound` — AutoRound symmetric int4 g128 (170 GiB, 34 shards, 113,074 tensors), TP=2, expert offload to 73.64 GiB/rank of pinned host rows behind a 14.51 GiB / 2,383-slot VRAM LRU arena, 131072 ctx × 2 seqs, bf16 KV, no MTP, no prefetch; measured 9.9-10.0 tok/s decode / 918 tok/s prefill | 7770 |
| Dankserver | `frank-primary` | tcclaviger RDNA4 vLLM fork (`docker.io/tcclaviger/vllm@sha256:da4029666…`, digest-pinned, plain `podman run`, root systemd unit) | `Intel/GLM-5.3-Flash-W4A16-AutoRound` — AutoRound symmetric int4 g128 (170 GiB, 34 shards, 113,074 tensors), TP=2, expert offload to 73.64 GiB/rank of pinned host rows behind a 14.51 GiB / 2,383-slot VRAM LRU arena, 131072 ctx × 2 seqs, bf16 KV, no MTP, no prefetch; measured 9.9-10.0 tok/s decode / 918 tok/s prefill, bounded by unfused pointwise glue (the expert gather is 1.05 % of device time; the trunk is uncompiled) | 7770 |
| Dankclaw | `frank-large` | gufo `gufo-org/gufo` v0.1.1, the Strix Halo engine, BUILT FROM SOURCE (root systemd unit; links the host ROCm 7.2.4) | Swift-1.5-Qwen3.8-27B-Uncensored UD-Q8_K_XL (27B dense, ABLITERATED/uncensored, 29.3 GiB, SWIFT OPEN LICENSE 1.0) with the z-lab DFlash2 Q4_K_M drafter (adaptive block policy, cap 7) on the gfx1151 iGPU (Strix Halo LPDDR, 114 GiB GTT), 262144 ctx single session, greedy, gufo's compiled-in Qwen renderer (NO Qwen-Sharp), text only | 7770 |
| Dankclaw | `frank-small` | mainline llama.cpp master 37b53fd (root systemd unit) | HauhauCS Gemma4-12B-QAT-Uncensored-Balanced Q4_K_M (BF16 mmproj + MTP assistant sidecar, `draft-mtp,ngram-mod`) on the RTX 3090, 1048576 pool / 4 slots of 262,144, q8_0 KV, the fleet's fastest vision endpoint | 7771 |
@@ -445,14 +445,51 @@ serve. Built shape: 14.51 GiB arena = **2,383 slots × 6.234 MiB per rank** over
12,096 host-backed experts = **73.64 GiB pinned host rows per rank**.
**Measured 2026-09-30: decode 9.9–10.0 tok/s, prefill 918 tok/s** (warm, 2.6k
prompt), KV cache 138,561 tokens. **The 35 tok/s target is NOT met, and this is
a measured wall rather than a tuning gap:** each decode step must move 2.045 GiB
of routed experts per rank (42 layers × 8 experts × 6.234 MiB), live telemetry
(`R4D_LRU_TELEMETRY=1`) puts the expert-cache hit rate at **0.53–0.66**, and the
fork's gather read path delivers **~8.2 GB/s against a link measured at
22.74 GB/s** — the same structural gap the qwen campaign found. Growing the
arena 13.08 → 14.51 GiB changed decode by *nothing* (10.03 → 9.88 tok/s), so
residency stopped being the binding term; 0.89 hit rate would be needed for 35.
prompt), KV cache 138,561 tokens. **The 35 tok/s target is NOT met. The first
explanation for that — "the expert gather is the bound at ~8.2 GB/s" — was
FALSIFIED by a torch-profiler kernel-time window** (496 decode tokens, rank0
trace parsed for device-activity time): 46.18 s of kernel time = ~93 ms per
token, of which **44 % is pointwise glue** — `vectorized_elementwise_kernel`
alone is 16.07 s over **708,500 launches (1,428 per token)**, plus 3.11 s of
`elementwise_kernel_manual_unroll` — against **1.05 % for
`r4d_moe_lru_gather_kernel`**. The MoE GEMM is 10 %, the split-K GEMM 6 %, the
router/top-k 9 %, the mHC kernels 6.5 %. The real wall is that **the fork
compiles its own Qwen trunk (`@support_torch_compile` in
`models/qwen4_exp/amd/model.py`) and not its GLM trunk**, so every pointwise op
is a separate eager kernel. Two consequences: spec decode **cannot** help this
shape (pointwise cost scales with the token count, which is exactly why MTP4
measured flat), and neither arena size nor hit rate is a lever (the gather is
1 %).
**Fork work is staged, not deployed.** `scripts/patches/glm53-compile-0{1,2,3}*.patch`
are the compile-enablement changelist (decorate the trunk; freeze the ten libr4d
capability probes that do `os.path.exists`/`.so` lookups *inside* the traced
forward; make `fullgraph=True` opt-out). Boots established that
`functools.lru_cache` does **not** protect those probes (dynamo re-traces the
wrapped body even warm), that `suppress_errors` does **not** cover graph breaks
(only `fullgraph=False` does), and that the GLM trunk can never satisfy
`fullgraph` (its indexer metadata syncs to host at
`glm5next/amd/sparse_indexer.py:263,419`). With all three the trunk **traces**
(`Dynamo bytecode transform time: 1.08 s`) and then dies on
`KeyError: 'in_proj_qkvbfg_a'` in the mHC/KDA path — a latent bug the compile
exposes, and the remaining blocker.
**No new HIP kernels are possible** — the image ships `r4d.so` as a binary with
no sources. The 9 % router is therefore **binary-blocked**: its fused path is
gated `num_experts in {128, 256, 512}` (`router/r4d_route_router.py`) and only
`r4d_moe_route_kernel<128|256|512>` instantiations exist, while GLM has **288**
experts. Only Python/config/inductor changes (or runtime-JIT Triton) are
available on this fork.
**DFlash2 for GLM is a target-side port, not a drafter port.**
`incoai/GLM-5.3-Flash-DFlash2` declares `architectures: ["DFlash2DraftModel"]`
and `model_type: "qwen3"` (5 dense layers, sliding attention, block 8,
`target_layer_ids [5, 14, 24, 33, 42]` of 45), and the fork **already maps it**
(`registry.py:636` → `qwen3_dflash2.DFlash2Qwen3ForCausalLM`; spec method
`"dflash"`). What is missing is the target side: `glm5next` implements neither
`set_aux_hidden_state_layers()` nor the per-layer aux capture that
`deepseek_v2.py` (also MLA+MoE) demonstrates. Budget no speedup: per the profile
above a verification pass pays pointwise cost proportional to its token count.
**MTP works here and is still rejected.** The head loads
(`Resolved architecture: Glm5NextMTPModel`) and accepts well (mean accepted
@@ -0,0 +1,67 @@
# glm53-compile-01-model-decorator.patch — put the GLM-5.3-Flash trunk under torch.compile.
#
# STATUS: WIP — first of three patches in the "compile the GLM trunk" changelist. The
# set does NOT yet boot the engine (see 03 for the next blocker), so it is NOT part of
# the deployed frank-primary shape. Nothing in scripts/ mounts these files.
#
# WHY THIS IS THE RIGHT LEVER (measured 2026-09-30, not inferred):
#
# The fork's own flagship trunk — vllm/models/qwen4_exp/amd/model.py — carries
# @support_torch_compile. vllm/models/glm5next/common/model.py does not, and the engine
# says so on every boot:
#
# Cudagraph mode FULL_AND_PIECEWISE requires piecewise capture, but the loaded model
# provides neither a compiled submodule nor breakable CUDA graphs.
# Overriding to FULL_DECODE_ONLY.
#
# A torch-profiler window on the live endpoint (496 decode tokens, rank0, 3 x 160-token
# generations at the deployed shape) shows what the missing compilation costs. Total
# device kernel time 46.18 s / 496 tokens = ~93 ms per token, against a measured step
# time of ~104 ms (9.6 tok/s with the profiler attached):
#
# 16.07 s 34.8 % 708,500 launches vectorized_elementwise_kernel (22.7 us each)
# 4.60 s 10.0 % 42,000 r4d_gemm_moe_w4a16_nt_b16_m64 (the MoE GEMM)
# 3.11 s 6.7 % 174,708 elementwise_kernel_manual_unroll
# 2.94 s 6.4 % 138,252 wvSplitK_hf_sml_ (split-K GEMM)
# 4.09 s 8.9 % 83,160 topk/router (sbtopk gatherTopK + warpMergeSortTopK
# + bitonicSortKVInPlace)
# 3.01 s 6.5 % 133,920 r4d_mhc_* (hyper-connection pre/post/finish)
# 2.78 s 6.0 % 127,916 inductor triton_poi_* / triton_per_* (the only
# fusions that DO happen)
# 0.49 s 1.05% 20,664 r4d_moe_lru_gather_kernel <-- the suspect
#
# That last row retired the fleet's working hypothesis. Decode on this shape is NOT
# expert-gather bound: the gather is 1 % of device time, the same order as the telemetry
# kernel that was switched on to measure it. 44 % of the budget is pointwise glue —
# bf16<->fp32 conversions, adds, pows/rsqrts from fp32 RMSNorm, clamp/scale quant
# passes — spread over ~1,428 launches per token. Inductor fusion is the only lever
# that touches that mass; the router is second at 9 % but is binary-blocked (the
# libr4d route kernel exists only as r4d_moe_route_kernel<128|256|512> instantiations
# and GLM has 288 experts, with no HIP sources shipped to rebuild).
#
# TARGET: vllm/models/glm5next/common/model.py (inside the pinned image)
# base sha256 008eeaa2a07e091465319f86900b5a321d921238723ccbe22e6b9e971e1d2b28
# patched sha256 6e9cb81b84a9a88bd41403ca404aa04c3b791899dd77d661c3f25ae686cecd40
#
# APPLY: `patch -p1` from the vllm package root, or bind-mount new/.../model.py over
# site-packages. Then R4D_GLM_COMPILE=1 (default) enables it; =0 makes the decorator a
# no-op, so the file can stay mounted for an A/B without a second artifact.
# Requires 02 (trace-safe probes) — without it the worker dies during profile_run on
# the first probe call inside the traced region.
--- a/vllm/models/glm5next/common/model.py
+++ b/vllm/models/glm5next/common/model.py
@@ Glm5NextModel: add @support_torch_compile (env): R4D_GLM_COMPILE=0 disables @@
+_GLM_COMPILE = os.environ.get("R4D_GLM_COMPILE", "1") == "1"
+
+
+@support_torch_compile(
+ dynamic_arg_dims={
+ "input_ids": 0,
+ "positions": -1,
+ "intermediate_tensors": 0,
+ "inputs_embeds": 0,
+ },
+ enable_if=lambda _cfg: _GLM_COMPILE,
+)
-class Glm5NextModel(nn.Module):
+class Glm5NextModel(nn.Module): # decorated above
@@ -0,0 +1,114 @@
# glm53-compile-02-trace-safe-probes.patch — libr4d capability probes must not do I/O
# inside a torch.compile region.
#
# STATUS: WIP — second of three patches in the "compile the GLM trunk" changelist.
# Inert (but harmless) without 01. Not part of the deployed shape.
#
# THE BREAK (measured: with 01 mounted and R4D_GLM_COMPILE=1, the worker dies during
# profile_run, i.e. the first — cold — forward):
#
# Explanation: Dynamo does not know how to trace the builtin `posix.stat`
# ... r4d_mhc_supported -> r4d_lib.r4d_mhc_enabled -> available -> os.path.exists
#
# THE NON-OBVIOUS PART: functools.lru_cache does NOT protect these probes. Dynamo
# re-traces the wrapped body to build its guard even when the cache is warm — it warns
# about exactly this ("Dynamo detected a call to a `functools.lru_cache`-wrapped
# function ... Dynamo ignores the cache wrapper and directly traces the wrapped
# function"). Verified in-image, torch 2.11.0+rocm10.0, torch.compile(backend="eager"):
#
# cold lru_cache call -> RAISE Unsupported
# WARM lru_cache call -> RAISE Unsupported <-- warming is not enough
# plain module-global read -> compiles
# uncached os.path.exists -> RAISE Unsupported
#
# So each probe must resolve ONCE into a plain value and be read as a global. The set
# below is every no-argument probe / symbol lookup reachable from a forward pass,
# grep-verified call sites:
# model_executor/layers/fused_moe/experts/r4d_w4a16_moe.py:79 available()
# model_executor/layers/fused_moe/experts/r4d_w4a16_moe.py:81 has_w4a16_moe()
# model_executor/kernels/mhc/r4d_dsv4.py:16 r4d_mhc_enabled()
# v1/attention/ops/rocm_aiter_mla_sparse.py:694 r4d_indexer_enabled(), mqa_max_heads()
# v1/attention/ops/rocm_aiter_mla_sparse.py:1124 r4d_indexer_enabled()
# model_executor/layers/fused_moe/experts/r4d_mxfp4_moe.py:683 r4d_act_quant_enabled()
# model_executor/layers/fused_moe/experts/r4d_w4a16_moe.py _entry() moe_w4a16()/moe_w4a16_mt1() per MoE call
# (lib() is the transitive dependency of all of them.)
#
# TARGET: vllm/model_executor/kernels/r4d_lib.py (inside the pinned image)
# base sha256 b8dfeefb4acc72b67b0579a4ab0653ef5d48c40cc8649187d757c80ce6b9617a
# patched sha256 0751852e1ca813ad2bdb1da7bf10c605130e63e04ef9ec57e70b5f675a29c08e
#
# APPLY: append the block below to the module. R4D_FREEZE_PROBES=0 restores stock
# behaviour. Cost when nothing is compiled: ten one-time probes at import (measured:
# logged once per process, e.g. "libr4d capability probes frozen: 10 warm [...]").
#
# OBSERVED EFFECT: with 01+02 the worker gets past this break and reaches the next one
# (see 03) — dynamo reports "Dynamo bytecode transform time: 1.08 s" for the trunk.
--- a/vllm/model_executor/kernels/r4d_lib.py
+++ b/vllm/model_executor/kernels/r4d_lib.py
@@ append: trace-safe capability probes (env): R4D_FREEZE_PROBES=0 disables @@
+# FORK-LOCAL (patch: trace-safe capability probes). torch.compile traces the
+# BODY of a functools.lru_cache call even when the cache is warm, so a capability
+# probe called from a forward pass is a dynamo graph break. Measured 2026-09-30
+# on the GLM-5.3-Flash trunk under @support_torch_compile:
+# Dynamo does not know how to trace the builtin `posix.stat`
+# r4d_mhc_supported -> r4d_mhc_enabled -> available -> os.path.exists
+# Each probe below is wrapped to resolve ONCE into a memo and is warmed at import
+# (outside any tracing region), so a traced call is a dict read. The probe set is
+# every no-argument capability probe / symbol lookup reachable from a forward
+# pass: the W4A16 + mxfp4 MoE dispatch, the mHC op, the MLA sparse indexer gate
+# and the draft/lm-head guards.
+_PROBE_NAMES = (
+ "available",
+ "lib",
+ "has_w4a16_moe",
+ "moe_w4a16",
+ "moe_w4a16_mt1",
+ "has_mhc_dsv4",
+ "r4d_mhc_enabled",
+ "r4d_indexer_enabled",
+ "mqa_max_heads",
+ "r4d_act_quant_enabled",
+)
+
+
+def _freeze_probe(fn):
+ """Return fn bound to its first result. Result must be a plain value."""
+
+ memo = []
+
+ def probe(*args, **kwargs):
+ if not memo:
+ memo.append(fn(*args, **kwargs))
+ return memo[0]
+
+ return probe
+
+
+def _freeze_probes() -> list[str]:
+ frozen = []
+ for name in _PROBE_NAMES:
+ fn = globals().get(name)
+ if fn is None:
+ continue
+ # Only the fast branch of a bound probe is traced; an empty memo means the
+ # first call still does I/O, so populate it here as well.
+ globals()[name] = _freeze_probe(fn)
+ frozen.append(name)
+ return frozen
+
+
+from vllm.logger import init_logger as _init_logger
+
+_probe_log = _init_logger(__name__)
+
+if os.environ.get("R4D_FREEZE_PROBES", "1") == "1":
+ _warmed, _failed = [], []
+ for _n in _freeze_probes():
+ try:
+ globals()[_n]()
+ _warmed.append(_n)
+ except Exception: # noqa: BLE001 -- probe unavailable here; recompute lazily
+ _failed.append(_n)
+ _probe_log.info("libr4d capability probes frozen: %d warm %s%s",
+ len(_warmed), _warmed,
+ f" (deferred: {_failed})" if _failed else "")
@@ -0,0 +1,64 @@
# glm53-compile-03-fullgraph-optout.patch — let torch.compile split the graph instead
# of failing on a break.
#
# STATUS: WIP — third of three patches in the "compile the GLM trunk" changelist.
# With 01+02+03 the model TRACES, then hits the NEXT blocker (below). The set does not
# yet boot the engine; nothing in scripts/ mounts it.
#
# THE BREAK: with 01+02 mounted the worker dies with
#
# RuntimeError: Graph breaks are not supported with aot compile.
# Please use torch.compile(fullgraph=True).
#
# because vllm/compilation/wrapper.py calls torch.compile(..., fullgraph=True, ...) and
# this build has AOT compile on by default (VLLM_USE_AOT_COMPILE). The GLM trunk cannot
# satisfy fullgraph: its indexer metadata path syncs to the host —
# models/glm5next/amd/sparse_indexer.py:263 int(positions[...].max().item()) + 1
# models/glm5next/amd/sparse_indexer.py:419 lmax = int(decode_metadata.decode_lens.max().item())
# — and a .item() inside a captured graph is not expressible.
#
# WHAT WAS VERIFIED (in-image, torch 2.11.0+rocm10.0, torch.compile(backend="eager")):
#
# fullgraph=True suppress_errors=False -> RAISE Unsupported
# fullgraph=True suppress_errors=True -> RAISE Unsupported <-- suppress_errors
# does NOT cover breaks
# fullgraph=False suppress_errors=False -> ok (traceable segments compiled by
# inductor, the rest runs eagerly;
# numerics unchanged)
#
# So breaks must be TOLERATED, not suppressed: the traceable mass still fuses. This
# patch makes the fullgraph requirement opt-out via VLLM_COMPILE_FULLGRAPH=0 (default 1,
# so every other model keeps stock behaviour), and the run also needs
# VLLM_USE_AOT_COMPILE=0 because AOT compile refuses breaks outright.
#
# TARGET: vllm/compilation/wrapper.py (inside the pinned image)
# base sha256 969961dca41c78385212e985cfc0c57ef067f4a2d7490c73c658c600a1b95cac
# patched sha256 732363bb1a1367772f13c60a655c678e7e2e9e56186677b14238f5e84cac31b3
# (the file already imports os; the patch does not add a second import)
#
# NEXT BLOCKER — NOT FIXED HERE. With 01+02+03 and
# R4D_GLM_COMPILE=1 VLLM_COMPILE_FULLGRAPH=0 VLLM_USE_AOT_COMPILE=0 the trunk traces
# ("Dynamo bytecode transform time: 1.08 s") and then the worker dies during profile_run:
#
# KeyError: 'in_proj_qkvbfg_a'
# vllm/models/glm5next/common/model.py:456 in Glm5NextDecoderLayer.forward
#
# `in_proj_qkvbfg_a` is the KDA layer's merged column-parallel projection
# (models/glm5next/common/kda.py:217, called at :407). The key is looked up in a
# dict/mapping that the EAGER path never reaches, so compiling the trunk exposes a
# latent bug in the mHC/KDA wiring rather than a dynamo limitation. Fix that and
# whatever follows before this changelist can boot — then re-measure: the prize is the
# 44 % pointwise mass (see 01), and the frozen-probe log line is the signal that 02 is
# live.
--- a/vllm/compilation/wrapper.py
+++ b/vllm/compilation/wrapper.py
@@ fullgraph opt-out (env VLLM_COMPILE_FULLGRAPH=0) @@
+# FORK-LOCAL (patch: fullgraph opt-out). torch.compile(fullgraph=True) turns any
+# dynamo graph break into a hard failure; suppress_errors does NOT cover breaks
+# (verified in-image, torch 2.11+rocm10.0). With VLLM_COMPILE_FULLGRAPH=0 the
+# traceable segments are still compiled by inductor and the untraceable ones run
+# eagerly, which is what a model with device-sync metadata (the GLM-5.3-Flash
+# indexer) needs. Default 1 keeps stock behaviour for every other model.
+_FULLGRAPH = os.environ.get("VLLM_COMPILE_FULLGRAPH", "1") == "1"
- fullgraph=True,
+ fullgraph=_FULLGRAPH,
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
---
type: runbook
title: frank-primary — GLM-5.3-Flash W4A16 int4 (tcclaviger, 2x R9700)
description: VERIFIED 2026-09-30 by boot probe, bench and live expert-cache telemetry. frank-primary cut over from Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-Uncensored-FP8 + MTP4 to Intel/GLM-5.3-Flash-W4A16-AutoRound, the first payload this fleet serves through the fork's W4A16 expert-offload path (INC scheme -> R4dW4a16MoEMethod, libr4d grouped W4A16 GEMM). Measured decode 9.9-10.0 tok/s and prefill 918 tok/s at 131,072 ctx. THE 35 tok/s TARGET IS NOT MET and this page shows why it is out of reach: the step is bounded by the fork's expert-gather read path at ~8.2 GB/s effective against a PCIe link that delivers 22.74 GB/s, with the cache at its measured hit-rate ceiling (0.53-0.66 per layer) from an arena that cannot grow past ~15 GiB under a 73.64 GiB/rank expert set.
description: VERIFIED 2026-09-30 by boot probe, bench, live expert-cache telemetry AND a torch-profiler kernel-time window. frank-primary cut over from Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-Uncensored-FP8 + MTP4 to Intel/GLM-5.3-Flash-W4A16-AutoRound, the first payload this fleet serves through the fork's W4A16 expert-offload path (INC scheme -> R4dW4a16MoEMethod, libr4d grouped W4A16 GEMM). Measured decode 9.9-10.0 tok/s and prefill 918 tok/s at 131,072 ctx. THE 35 tok/s TARGET IS NOT MET, and the profiler window FALSIFIED the first explanation: the expert gather is 1.05 % of device time, not the bound. 44 % of the 93 ms/token budget is pointwise glue (1,428 elementwise launches per token) because the fork's GLM trunk is NOT torch.compiled while its own Qwen trunk is; the second-largest lever, the fused router, is binary-blocked at 288 experts. The compile changelist is staged but incomplete (three patches, one blocker left).
tags:
- dankserver
- r9700
@@ -22,12 +22,16 @@ timestamp: 2026-09-30
> `GLM-5.3-Flash` at int4 on two R9700s with expert offload, and how fast is it?
> **Answer.** Yes — it serves, with vision, tool calls and 131,072 ctx. It runs
> at **9.9-10.0 tok/s decode / 918 tok/s prefill**, and **35 tok/s is not
> reachable** with this payload on this hardware. The bound is not the model,
> the quant, or the link: it is the fork's expert-gather read path, and it is
> measured, not inferred.
> reachable** on this payload as the fork ships it. The bound is **not** the
> model, the quant, the link, or the expert gather (measured: 1.05 % of device
> time). It is the **unfused pointwise glue of an uncompiled trunk** — 44 % of a
> 93 ms per-token budget spread over ~1,428 elementwise launches per token —
> because the fork compiles its own Qwen trunk and not its GLM one. See
> [The measured profile](#the-measured-profile-and-the-real-wall).
Related: [[dankserver-qwen38-fp8-expert-offload-tuning]] (the same fork, the
same hardware, the same gather-path wall, found first on qwen),
Related: [[dankserver-qwen38-fp8-expert-offload-tuning]] (the same fork, the same
hardware — its conclusion was drawn from throughput arithmetic and is superseded
by this page's kernel-time measurement),
[[dankserver-frontier-moe-feasibility]] (the earlier fit analysis),
[[VLLM Index]], [[LLM/index|LLM fleet]].
@@ -51,7 +55,7 @@ graph LR
D --> E[ExpertLRUCache<br/>2,383 VRAM slots / rank]
D --> F[73.64 GiB pinned host rows / rank]
E --> G[decode step]
F -->|8.2 GB/s effective| G
F -->|host misses<br/>1.05% of device time| G
```
## Why this payload and not another
@@ -90,33 +94,142 @@ Measured on the deployed engine, 2026-09-30 (`bench_glm.py`, real prose, greedy)
Decode is flat across context and across every arena change — the signature of a
per-step cost that is not KV- or residency-driven at the margin.
### The arithmetic that bounds it
### The measured profile, and the real wall
Per decode step, per rank: 42 MoE layers x 8 routed experts x 6.234 MiB =
**2.045 GiB of expert weights**, which must either be in VRAM or cross PCIe.
**This section replaces an earlier explanation, which the measurement falsified.**
The first reading of this page bounded the step with throughput arithmetic: 42 MoE
layers x 8 experts x 6.234 MiB = 2.045 GiB per step per rank, 0.82 GiB of it
missed at a measured 0.53-0.66 hit rate, giving "0.82 GiB in ~100 ms = 8.2 GB/s =
the gather is the wall". That arithmetic was circular — it *assumed* the gather
consumed the whole step — and it is wrong. The engine, asked directly, disagrees:
| hit rate | miss traffic | step @ 8.2 GB/s | decode |
A torch-profiler window (`--profiler-config`, `POST /start_profile` /
`stop_profile`, 496 decode tokens at the deployed shape, rank0 trace parsed for
device-activity time) gives the true split. Total device kernel time **46.18 s /
496 tokens = ~93 ms per token** against a measured ~104 ms step (9.6 tok/s with
the profiler attached):
| ms | % | launches | kernel |
| --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 0.60 (measured) | 0.82 GiB | ~105 ms | **9.5-10.0 tok/s** |
| 0.70 | 0.61 GiB | ~78 ms | 12.8 tok/s |
| 0.89 (what 35 tok/s needs) | 0.23 GiB | ~29 ms | 35 tok/s |
| 16,074 | **34.8** | 708,500 | `vectorized_elementwise_kernel` (22.7 us each) |
| 4,602 | 10.0 | 42,000 | `r4d_gemm_moe_w4a16_nt_b16_m64` — the MoE GEMM |
| 3,108 | 6.7 | 174,708 | `elementwise_kernel_manual_unroll` |
| 2,943 | 6.4 | 138,252 | `wvSplitK_hf_sml_` — split-K GEMM (projections / head) |
| 2,829 | 6.1 | 83,160 | router: `sbtopk::gatherTopK` + `warpMergeSortTopK` + `bitonicSortKVInPlace` (1,208 + 1,051 + 559 ms; the 1,051 row is not in the list below) |
| 3,015 | 6.5 | 133,920 | `r4d_mhc_pre_finish/pre_partial/post` — hyper-connections |
| 2,782 | 6.0 | 127,916 | inductor `triton_poi_*` / `triton_per_*` (the fusions that DO happen) |
| **487** | **1.05** | 20,664 | **`r4d_moe_lru_gather_kernel`** — the accused |
| 250 | 0.54 | 20,832 | `_moe_lru_tele_kernel` — the telemetry that measured it (TELEM was on) |
Two independent measurements pin the missed term:
So the gather is **1.05 %** of device time, and `r4d_moe_lru_fused_kernel` (the
LRU *manager*, not the copy) is a further 1,599 ms / 3.5 %. Residency work and the
PCIe link are not the story: 44 % of the budget is **pointwise glue** — bf16<->fp32
conversions, adds, `pow`/`rsqrt` from fp32 RMSNorm, `launch_clamp_scale` quant
passes, `reduce_kernel` means — spread over **~1,428 elementwise launches per
token** (3,734 kernel launches per token in total). The GPU is busy 86 % of the
wall clock, so this is real device work, not launch-gap overhead.
- **Live expert-cache telemetry** (`R4D_LRU_TELEMETRY=1`, profiler window)
gives the hit rate directly — the LRU is *working*:
`layers.34: slots 56 (pinned 0, tier 0) hit 0.6279 routed 2002 installs 543
read-through 202` … `layers.44: hit 0.5335`. Per-layer range **0.53-0.66**.
- **The link delivers 22.74 GB/s** at the engine's own slab size (H2D probe,
pinned, 2.345 MiB). The step moves 0.82 GiB in ~100 ms = **8.2 GB/s —
36% of the wire**, matching the fork's own measured 6.5-9.5 GB/s.
Two consequences that kill three whole families of planned work:
So the step is bounded by the fork's gather read path, and the only other lever
is the hit rate — which is capped by the arena. A 14.51 GiB arena holds 20% of a
73.64 GiB expert set; the measured hit rate beats random by ~3x thanks to
routing locality, but it saturates: growing the arena 13.08 → 14.51 GiB
(+9%) changed decode by **nothing** (10.03 → 9.88 tok/s). Reaching 0.89 would
need roughly 4.5x the per-layer slot count — an arena of well over 100 GiB.
- **Spec decode cannot help this shape, and the MTP measurement was not an
accident.** Pointwise cost scales with the token count, so a draft batch that
verifies 4 tokens pays ~4x the glue for the same per-token output — which is
exactly why MTP4 measured "acceptance 3.76-4.90, decode unchanged". Same reason
the gather was never the bound.
- **Arena size and hit rate are not levers.** Confirmed twice: `--expert-precise-memory`
(arena 13.08 -> 14.51 GiB) moved decode by nothing, and the gather is 1 %.
## Fork work: the compile changelist (WIP, does not boot yet)
The fork compiles its own flagship trunk — `vllm/models/qwen4_exp/amd/model.py`
carries `@support_torch_compile` — and **not** its GLM trunk. The engine says so on
every boot:
```
Cudagraph mode FULL_AND_PIECEWISE requires piecewise capture, but the loaded model
provides neither a compiled submodule nor breakable CUDA graphs.
Overriding to FULL_DECODE_ONLY.
```
Inductor fusion is therefore the only lever that touches the 44 % pointwise mass.
Three patches are staged in `scripts/patches/glm53-compile-0*.patch`, each carrying
its own evidence header, base/patched sha256 and the next blocker:
| patch | target | fixes |
| --- | --- | --- |
| `-01-model-decorator` | `models/glm5next/common/model.py` | decorates `Glm5NextModel` (env `R4D_GLM_COMPILE`, default on) |
| `-02-trace-safe-probes` | `model_executor/kernels/r4d_lib.py` | freezes 10 capability probes that do `os.path.exists`/`.so` lookups **inside the traced forward** |
| `-03-fullgraph-optout` | `compilation/wrapper.py` | makes `fullgraph=True` opt-out (env `VLLM_COMPILE_FULLGRAPH=0`) |
What the boots established, in order (each one ~7 min):
1. **01 alone dies** on the first cold probe call inside the traced region:
`Dynamo does not know how to trace the builtin 'posix.stat'` —
`r4d_mhc_supported -> r4d_lib.r4d_mhc_enabled -> available -> os.path.exists`.
**`functools.lru_cache` does not protect these probes**: dynamo re-traces the
wrapped body to build its guard even when the cache is warm (it warns about
exactly this), verified in-image — a *warm* lru_cache-calling function still
fails `fullgraph=True`, while a plain module-global read compiles.
2. **01+02 get past it** (`libr4d capability probes frozen: 10 warm [...]` in all
four processes) and die on
`RuntimeError: Graph breaks are not supported with aot compile`, because this
build runs AOT compile by default and AOT refuses breaks.
3. **01+02+03 with `VLLM_COMPILE_FULLGRAPH=0 VLLM_USE_AOT_COMPILE=0` traces the
trunk successfully** (`Dynamo bytecode transform time: 1.08 s`) and then dies in
`profile_run` with `KeyError: 'in_proj_qkvbfg_a'` at
`glm5next/common/model.py:456` (the KDA layer's merged projection,
`kda.py:217`) — a dict/registry lookup keyed by attribute name that the eager
path never reaches, i.e. **a latent bug the compile exposes, not a dynamo
limit**.
That last row is the state of the work: the remaining blocker is a real bug in the
fork's mHC/KDA wiring, and it must be fixed (plus whatever follows it) before the
changelist can boot. Two verified facts make the payoff concrete: `suppress_errors`
does **not** cover graph breaks (only `fullgraph=False` does), and the GLM trunk can
never satisfy `fullgraph` because its indexer metadata syncs to host
(`glm5next/amd/sparse_indexer.py:263,419`: `int(...max().item())`).
### Two structural constraints on any further fork work
- **No new HIP kernels are possible.** The image ships `r4d.so` as a binary with no
sources. The obvious second lever — the 9 % router — is gated
`num_experts in {128, 256, 512}` in `router/r4d_route_router.py` and the binary
contains only `r4d_moe_route_kernel<128|256|512>` instantiations. GLM has **288**
experts, so it falls back to the generic sort-based top-k and **cannot be moved to
the fused router without rebuilding libr4d**. Only Python/config/inductor changes
(and runtime-JIT Triton) are available.
- **`--kv-cache-dtype fp8` is a dead end for capacity too.** The plan's KV reserve
is dtype-blind (1.76 GiB at 131,072 either way), so fp8 buys no arena and no
window; it only removes the only MLA decode path gfx12 has (trap 1 above).
### DFlash2 for GLM — what the drafter actually is
`incoai/GLM-5.3-Flash-DFlash2` is **not** a GLM-shaped drafter and needs no MLA/DSA
port: its `config.json` declares `architectures: ["DFlash2DraftModel"]` and
`model_type: "qwen3"` — 5 dense layers, hidden 4096, 32 heads / 8 kv heads,
head_dim 128, sliding attention (window 2048), `is_causal: false`,
`use_cache: false`, `dflash_config` = block 8, conv group 16, selector rank 256 /
top-k 16, and **`target_layer_ids: [5, 14, 24, 33, 42]` against
`num_target_layers: 45`**.
The fork already maps that architecture:
`registry.py:636 "DFlash2DraftModel": ("qwen3_dflash2", "DFlash2Qwen3ForCausalLM")`,
and the spec method is `"dflash"` (`config/speculative.py:67`). So the port is
**target-side only**: the GLM trunk must expose auxiliary hidden states at those five
layer indices, the same interface `deepseek_v2.py` (also MLA+MoE) implements —
`set_aux_hidden_state_layers()` / `get_eagle3_aux_hidden_state_layers()` plus
capture at `idx in self.aux_hidden_state_layers` in the layer loop. `glm5next`
implements neither.
Expected benefit is **not** assumed: DFlash2 amortizes a draft block (8 tokens) over
one verification pass, and per the profile above a verification pass costs pointwise
work proportional to tokens — the same reason MTP4 was flat. Measure it; do not
budget on it.
Note also that the KV-cap patch's predecessor arithmetic in
[[dankserver-qwen38-fp8-expert-offload-tuning]] should be read the same way: its
"gather-bound" conclusion came from the same throughput arithmetic that this page's
profiler window has now falsified.
## Measured arms (all 2026-09-30, one boot each)
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- Measured on the deployed engine: **decode 9.9-10.0 tok/s, prefill 918 tok/s**
(warm, 2.6k prompt), KV 138,561 tokens; arena 14.51 GiB = 2,383 slots per
rank over 12,096 host-backed experts (73.64 GiB pinned per rank).
- **The wall:** live expert-cache telemetry (`R4D_LRU_TELEMETRY=1` + a
`with_stack=false` profiler window) puts the cache hit rate at 0.53-0.66 per
layer; a step moves 0.82 GiB of misses in ~100 ms = **8.2 GB/s effective
against a link measured at 22.74 GB/s** — the same structural gather-read-path
gap the 2026-09-29 qwen campaign found. Growing the arena 13.08 -> 14.51 GiB
(+9%) changed decode by *nothing* (10.03 -> 9.88 tok/s), so residency stopped
being the binding term; 35 tok/s would need a 0.89 hit rate.
- **The wall — and a corrected one.** The first account of the shortfall
bounded the step with throughput arithmetic (a step moves 0.82 GiB of misses
in ~100 ms = "8.2 GB/s effective against a 22.74 GB/s link", needing a 0.89
hit rate for 35 tok/s). **A torch-profiler kernel-time window falsified it**
(496 decode tokens, rank0 trace parsed for device-activity time): 46.18 s of
kernel time = ~93 ms/token, of which **44 % is pointwise glue** —
`vectorized_elementwise_kernel` alone 16.07 s over **708,500 launches (1,428
per token)**, plus 3.11 s of `elementwise_kernel_manual_unroll` — against
**1.05 % for `r4d_moe_lru_gather_kernel`**. The MoE GEMM is 10 %, the split-K
GEMM 6.4 %, the router/top-k 8.9 %, the mHC kernels 6.5 %, and the inductor
fusions that DO happen 6 %. The real cause is that the fork compiles its own
Qwen trunk (`@support_torch_compile` in `models/qwen4_exp/amd/model.py`) and
**not** its GLM trunk, so every pointwise op is a separate eager kernel; the
engine says so at boot ("...provides neither a compiled submodule nor
breakable CUDA graphs. Overriding to FULL_DECODE_ONLY."). Growing the arena
13.08 -> 14.51 GiB still changed nothing, consistent with a 1 % gather.
- **Fork work staged (compile changelist, WIP — does not boot yet).**
`scripts/patches/glm53-compile-01-model-decorator.patch`,
`-02-trace-safe-probes.patch`, `-03-fullgraph-optout.patch`, each with its own
evidence header and base/patched sha256. Boots established, in order: (1)
`functools.lru_cache` does NOT make a probe trace-safe — dynamo re-traces the
wrapped body even when warm, so `r4d_mhc_supported -> r4d_mhc_enabled ->
available -> os.path.exists` breaks the graph (a plain module-global read
compiles; verified in-image); (2) `suppress_errors` does NOT cover graph
breaks, only `fullgraph=False` does; (3) the GLM trunk can never satisfy
`fullgraph` because its indexer metadata syncs to host
(`glm5next/amd/sparse_indexer.py:263,419`), and AOT compile refuses breaks
outright. With all three the trunk **traces** (`Dynamo bytecode transform
time: 1.08 s`) and then dies on `KeyError: 'in_proj_qkvbfg_a'` in the
mHC/KDA path — a latent bug the compile exposes. That is the remaining
blocker.
- **No new HIP kernels are possible** (the image ships `r4d.so` with no
sources), which binary-blocks the second-largest lever: the fused router is
gated `num_experts in {128, 256, 512}` and only
`r4d_moe_route_kernel<128|256|512>` instantiations exist, while GLM has 288
experts. `--kv-cache-dtype fp8` buys no capacity either (the plan's KV
reserve is dtype-blind), only removing gfx12's only MLA decode path.
- **DFlash2 for GLM is a target-side port, not a drafter port.**
`incoai/GLM-5.3-Flash-DFlash2` declares `architectures: ["DFlash2DraftModel"]`
and `model_type: "qwen3"` (5 dense layers, sliding attention, block 8,
`target_layer_ids [5, 14, 24, 33, 42]` of 45) and the fork **already maps it**
(`registry.py:636` -> `qwen3_dflash2.DFlash2Qwen3ForCausalLM`; spec method
`"dflash"`). What `glm5next` lacks is the target side: aux-hidden-state
capture (`set_aux_hidden_state_layers` / per-layer capture, as `deepseek_v2.py`
demonstrates). No speedup is budgeted: a verification pass pays pointwise cost
proportional to its token count.
- Measured and rejected: **MTP4** (the head loads, arch resolves to
`Glm5NextMTPModel`, acceptance is excellent at mean length 3.76-4.90 — but
decode was unchanged (9.6-11.2 vs 10.0) while prefill COLLAPSED 918 -> 255,
because a verification forward gathers the *union* of the batch's experts);
decode was unchanged (9.6-11.2 vs 10.0) while prefill COLLAPSED 918 -> 255.
The profiler window above explains it: the per-token cost is dominated by
pointwise glue that scales with the token count, so verifying a draft batch
pays ~N x that glue for the same N tokens of output);
**fp8 KV** (disables the sparse MLA backend's rope-free Triton path, and
aiter's MLA decode op is gated on CDNA>2, so the MTP draft step demands an op
that cannot exist on gfx12); **NBATCH 8192** (boots, identical prefill).