frank-default-small: use q8_0 (not q8_KV) KV cache on ik_llama
The ik_llama fast q8_KV cache type crashes at model init on this QWEN3MOE/MTP + multimodal arch at commit b166e269 with a ggml_view size assert (ggml.c:5427) right after the output buffer is created, looping the service. Empirically isolated by toggling cache type: q8_0 and f16 load and serve (smoke-tested correct output), q8_KV asserts. Switch to q8_0 + Hadamard (K/V), which still gives the 8-bit cache + Hadamard quality win. KB updated with the crash lesson.
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type: reference
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title: ik_llama.cpp on Dankserver (Ornith Q6_K)
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description: ikawrakow/ik_llama.cpp replaces upstream llama.cpp for frank-default-small on the RTX 3090. q8_KV KV cache with Hadamard, split-mode none (graph requires >=2 GPUs), ngram-mod canonical args, and explicit CPU-expert offload. Includes the mandatory CUDA/IQK FA_ALL_QUANTS build flags.
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description: ikawrakow/ik_llama.cpp replaces upstream llama.cpp for frank-default-small on the RTX 3090. q8_0 KV cache with Hadamard (the fast q8_KV type crashes on this arch at this commit), split-mode none (graph requires >=2 GPUs), ngram-mod canonical args, and explicit CPU-expert offload. Includes the mandatory CUDA/IQK FA_ALL_QUANTS build flags.
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tags:
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- ikllama
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- llamacpp
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@@ -104,14 +104,24 @@ Files: `scripts/serve-frank-small.sh`, `scripts/frank-default-small.env`,
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`scripts/frank-default-small.service` in the repo. The service just calls
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the serve script; the env file holds all tunables.
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### KV cache: q8_KV + Hadamard
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### KV cache: q8_0 + Hadamard
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- `CACHE_TYPE_K=q8_KV`, `CACHE_TYPE_V=q8_KV` — fast quant type (ik
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PR 208). Passes `--cache-type-k q8_KV --cache-type-v q8_KV`.
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- `CACHE_TYPE_K=q8_0`, `CACHE_TYPE_V=q8_0` — standard 8-bit KV cache type
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(passes `--cache-type-k q8_0 --cache-type-v q8_0`).
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- `K_CACHE_HADAMARD=1`, `V_CACHE_HADAMARD=1` — `--k-cache-hadamard` and
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`--v-cache-hadamard`. The Hadamard transform preserves KV quality at
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8-bit (docs recommend it for quantized KV below Q6_0). Implemented for
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both the CUDA (`ggml-cuda/hadamard.cu`) and CPU (IQK) paths.
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- Flash-attention is **on by default** (no `-fa` flag needed).
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> ⚠️ **Do not use `q8_KV` (fast type) here.** On this commit (`b166e269`)
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> the fast `q8_KV` cache type crashes at model init on this QWEN3MOE/MTP +
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> multimodal arch with a `ggml view` size assertion
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> (`ggml.c:5427: GGML_ASSERT(view_src == NULL || ... data_size + view_offs`)
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> right after the output buffer is created. It loops the service. Plain
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> `q8_0` (and `f16`) work and were smoke-tested with correct output; this
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> config uses `q8_0`. This was isolated empirically by toggling cache type
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> while keeping the override/hadamard flags.
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These keep the 163840-slot / 491520-pool context while roughly halving KV
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cache RAM vs f16.
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@@ -20,7 +20,7 @@ graph LR
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B2[ik_llama.cpp build b166e269
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frank-default-small, port 7770]
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C[Ornith-1.5-35B-A3B-CRACK Q6_K
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ngram-mod, q8_KV + Hadamard cache, 491520 ctx]
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ngram-mod, q8_0 + Hadamard cache, 491520 ctx]
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A --> B2 --> C
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end
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@@ -57,7 +57,7 @@ MTP draft + Turbo4 V cache, 262K ctx / 1 slot]
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- [[dealign-ornith-crack]] — the dealign Ornith-1.5-35B-A3B CRACK model on
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Dankserver (frank-default-small, active 2026-08-24)
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- [[ikllama-ornith-dankserver]] — the ik_llama.cpp runtime for
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frank-default-small (2026-08-26): q8_KV + Hadamard KV cache,
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frank-default-small (2026-08-26): q8_0 + Hadamard KV cache,
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split-mode none (single-GPU), mandatory FA_ALL_QUANTS build flags
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- [[kingjones-strix-mtp]] — the active kingjones Qwen3.8-27B ROCmFP4 STRIX MTP
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model on Dankclaw (restored 2026-09-01 after the Q8_0 AGENT experiment)
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@@ -110,7 +110,7 @@ The LLM inference fleet on the two hosts. Full index:
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- [[ciru-activefpx-promptforge]] — the RETIRED v3 CIRU PromptForge runtime on Dankclaw (superseded 2026-08-24)
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- [[kingjones-strix-mtp]] — the kingjones Qwen3.8-27B ROCmFP4 STRIX MTP model on Dankclaw (active)
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- [[dealign-ornith-crack]] — the dealign Ornith-1.5-35B-A3B CRACK model on Dankserver (active)
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- [[ikllama-ornith-dankserver]] — the ik_llama.cpp runtime for frank-default-small (q8_KV + Hadamard KV cache, split-mode none; 2026-08-26)
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- [[ikllama-ornith-dankserver]] — the ik_llama.cpp runtime for frank-default-small (q8_0 + Hadamard KV cache, split-mode none; 2026-08-26)
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- [[kairic-edge]] — the retired Kairic Edge IU4 experiment (2026-08-22)
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- [[dflash2-large-vulkan]] — the retired DFlash2 Vulkan deployment (2026-08-21)
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- [[Dankserver System Specs]] — the RTX 3090 box hardware
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# 2026-08-26 from commit b166e269) on RTX 3090 24 GB; Ryzen 7 7700X; 62 GB
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# RAM. Previous runtime was upstream llama.cpp b10121. MoE expert weights
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# pinned to CPU with an explicit --override-tensor regex (not --n-cpu-moe).
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# KV cache quantized to q8_KV with Hadamard transforms on both K and V.
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# --split-mode graph enabled (single GPU; retained per operator preference).
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# KV cache quantized to q8_0 with Hadamard transforms on both K and V.
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# Split mode none (single GPU; graph would require 2+ devices).
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#
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# Build flags (IK_FA note, see docs/LLM/ikllama-ornith-dankserver.md) must
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# ALWAYS include: -DGGML_CUDA_FA_ALL_QUANTS=ON and -DGGML_IQK_FA_ALL_QUANTS=ON
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# so the q8_KV + Hadamard KV cache combos compile into the CUDA/CPU FA
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# so the quantized + Hadamard KV cache combos compile into the CUDA/CPU FA
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# kernels. Replacing the HauhauCS Qwen3.6-35B-A3B model on 2026-08-24.
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# Switched from CRACK Q8_0 to Q6_K on 2026-08-25.
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#
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# OVERRIDE_EXPERT below.
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N_GPU_LAYERS=999
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# KV cache on GPU, both K and V at q8_KV (fast quant type on ik_llama, PR 208)
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# plus Hadamard transforms on both caches to preserve quality at 8-bit.
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# For quantized KV below Q6_0 the docs recommend --k-cache-hadamard; we apply
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# --v-cache-hadamard to V as well.
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CACHE_TYPE_K=q8_KV
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CACHE_TYPE_V=q8_KV
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# KV cache on GPU, both K and V at q8_0 plus Hadamard transforms on both
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# caches to preserve quality at 8-bit. NOTE: ik_llama's fast q8_KV type
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# crashes at model init on this MTP/multimodal arch with a ggml_view size
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# assert (ggml.c:5427) at commit b166e269; plain q8_0 works. Docs recommend
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# --k-cache-hadamard for quantized KV below Q6_0; we apply --v-cache-hadamard
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# to V as well. Flash-attention is on by default.
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CACHE_TYPE_K=q8_0
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CACHE_TYPE_V=q8_0
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K_CACHE_HADAMARD=1
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V_CACHE_HADAMARD=1
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# 35B-total / 3B-active MoE-dense hybrid with an MTP head bundled in the GGUF;
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# this service uses ngram-mod instead of MTP speculation.
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#
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# KV cache: q8_KV with Hadamard transforms on K and V (requires a build with
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# KV cache: q8_0 with Hadamard transforms on K and V (requires a build with
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# GGML_CUDA_FA_ALL_QUANTS=ON + GGML_IQK_FA_ALL_QUANTS=ON; see the env file).
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# The ik_llama fast q8_KV type crashes at init on this arch (ggml.c:5427);
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# q8_0 is used instead.
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#
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# Split mode is none: Dankserver has a single RTX 3090 and ik_llama rejects
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# split-mode graph with fewer than 2 devices (hard load error).
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#
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# Expert offload: the expert (FFN exps) tensors selected by the layer-bounded
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# --override-tensor pattern are pinned to CPU. Selected full-attention and
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