The page described an undeployed service whose scriptwriter was going to be frank-zealot. Both halves are now false, and the reason is worth more than the correction. - Status, ports, coordinates: deployed 2026-10-19, guarded vhost, API published on loopback only. The first episode is the proof: 747 s of speech in 301 s of wall clock (2.5x real time, knobs at 1), download route 200 with the bearer and 401 without. - New section for the guard chain: provider-before-route, one upstream because the image rewrites /api/* itself, and the API_URL law — autodetect appends :5055, which is seerr's port on this host, so an unset API_URL yields a UI that loads and an app that cannot call itself. - Provisioned records table (credentials, model rows, dank-duo, dank-daily) and the two contract traps measured on the live API: generate takes profile NAMES, and the fleet has no /v1/embeddings, so every note save fails its embed_note command while renders from content work fine. - Why frank-archon writes the scripts: frank-zealot is reachable from this netns only at 169.254.1.2, and open-notebook's URL guard refuses to store a link-local base URL with no override. Census lands on [[Container Network Namespaces]], which also gains the root-vs-rootless publish rule — a root-published port is invisible to a rootless container, so "publish the port" was the wrong remedy as written there. - Frank TTS: the request's model field is ignored; only voice selects a pack. Tests: ./tests/run.sh, 455 passed.
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| reference | Container Network Namespaces | How Podman builds container networks here: the network inventory, the netns sharing mechanism, and the isolation limits. |
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2026-09-02 |
Container Network Namespaces
On a rootless-Podman host, "talk to a local service" is not one question — it is
one question per network namespace. A container in the host network
namespace sees every host listener on 127.0.0.1; a container on a bridge
network does not, and cannot be made to by name or by loopback. This page is the
address map for Dankclaw (192.168.0.143) and the rule that explains it.
The rule
A container only reaches services that are reachable from inside its own network namespace:
Network=host→ the container is in the host netns. It dials other host services on loopback (127.0.0.1:PORT) and binds any free port itself.Network=<name>.network/Network=dankclaw_default(bridge, netavark) → the container has its own netns. Loopback inside it is its own loopback. The only host address it can dial is the network's gateway IP, and on a rootless host that path is served byrootlessport, which forwards published port maps only. An unpublished host listener is refused immediately (RST), not routed.- Container DNS names (
gitea-server,authentik-postgres,valkey) resolve only inside the network that owns them, so a container on another network can never reach a peer by name — see the naming quirk below.
Live address map (Dankclaw, verified 2026-09-02)
| Container | NetworkMode |
Reachable from it |
|---|---|---|
systemd-hermes (gateway) |
host |
everything on the host netns, incl. signal-cli at 127.0.0.1:8080 and the webui on :8787 |
hermes-webui |
host |
same; binds 0.0.0.0:8787, so it is LAN-reachable, not loopback-only |
chrome-devtools-protocol |
host |
binds 127.0.0.1:9222 — deliberately loopback-only, unreachable from the LAN and from bridge nets |
hermes-dashboard |
dankclaw_default (bridge) |
only published ports, via the gateway IP 10.89.1.1 |
Network= values are read from the live Quadlet sources in
/home/dank/.config/containers/systemd/*.container; runtime network names on the
host at the same date were podman, dankclaw_default, systemd-gitea
systemd-searxng, systemd-open-webui.
Two consequences that are easy to miss:
- The Hermes gateway can dial the Signal daemon on loopback only because it
runs in the host netns. The dashboard — same image, same
/data— cannot; it shares state through the bind mount instead, never over the network. - Caddy sits on
dankclaw_default, so every upstream it proxies must be reachable from that network by IP + published port. Cross-network traffic by container DNS name is not available to it:gitea-serverlives onsystemd-gitea,valkeyonsystemd-searxng, and neither resolves from Caddy's namespace. That is why Gitea is fronted asIP:3000and SearXNG as:8081rather than by service name.
Naming quirk: <name>.network becomes systemd-<name>
A Quadlet Network=gitea.network yields a runtime network named
systemd-gitea, not gitea. Probe with podman network ls, never by the
filename, or health checks and Network-Alias plans target a network that does
not exist.
Verification recipe (read-only)
# which containers are on which network? (`podman network inspect` in this
# podman version has no `.containers` field, so list from the container side)
podman ps -a --format '{{.Names}} {{.Networks}}' # empty Networks = host or shared netns
# what listens on the host netns, and who owns it?
sudo ss -ltnp 'sport = :8080'
# what can a bridge-net container actually dial? run the probe inside its netns
podman exec <name> cat /proc/net/route # default route → gateway IP
podman exec <name> sh -c 'timeout 2 bash -c "exec 3<>/dev/tcp/10.89.1.1/8080"; echo rc=$?'
Verified outcomes of that recipe on 2026-09-02: from inside hermes-dashboard
10.89.1.1:3000 (Gitea, published), :8081 (SearXNG via Gluetun's netns,
published) and :9119 (its own published port) connect; :8080 and :8787
are refused instantly even though both listeners are bound to 0.0.0.0 in
the host netns. Probes to host.containers.internal (169.254.1.2) from that
network time out rather than refuse — but see the 2026-10-19 re-measure below,
where the same alias answers from another dankclaw_default container.
2026-10-19: which published ports a rootless container can actually dial
Probed from inside open-notebook (rootless, on dankclaw_default and the
private systemd-open-notebook), each address aimed at a live listener:
| Dial | Result | Mechanism |
|---|---|---|
192.168.0.143:3000 (Gitea) |
200 | published by a rootless container — rootless egress crosses the host netfilter where netavark installed that DNAT |
192.168.0.143:7770 (frank-dragoon) |
refused | published by a root container. Root and rootless Podman carry separate netavark rule sets, so a rootless container's traffic never crosses root's and a root-published port is invisible to it |
192.168.0.143:7771 (frank-zealot) |
refused | host-netns listener, unpublished — the rule above, reconfirmed |
10.89.1.1:7771 |
refused | the bridge gateway address belongs to the rootlesskit netns, not to the host |
host.containers.internal:7771 (169.254.1.2) |
200 | the gateway alias is the one address that carries a rootless container to a host-netns listener. Why hermes-dashboard timed out on this alias in 2026-09-02 while open-notebook answers today is not established; the difference to check first is the second network and where the default route lands |
192.168.0.235:7770 (frank-archon) |
200 | a different machine: plain routing, no DNAT in the path |
The consequence that changes designs: a rootless container's menu of local model
endpoints is frank-tts (container DNS, same network) and frank-archon (LAN
address on another host). Both Dankclaw endpoints are out of reach —
frank-dragoon behind root's publish, frank-zealot behind the host netns — and
the only address that does reach them, 169.254.1.2, is link-local, which some
applications refuse to store at all (Open Notebook meets exactly that refusal).
Operational rules
- Health checks for a bridge-network service must target a published port (or
run via
podman execinside the unit), neverlocalhost:<port>from the host — and never the reverse either: the deployer's health probe runs on the host, so it sees host-netns listeners that the container itself cannot dial. - To give a bridge-net container access to a host-netns listener, the options
are (a) move it to
Network=host, or (b) publish the needed port — but publishing is advertised only inside the Podman that owns the container: a root container's published port stays invisible to a rootless consumer (2026-10-19 table above), so the fix must be made on the same root/rootless side as the consumer. Either way it is an exposure change — a published port also answers on the LAN — and needs operator approval before deployment, not a silent fix. chrome-devtools-protocolis intentionallyNetwork=hostwith a loopback-only bind so the browser tool stays unreachable from the LAN; do not "tidy" it onto a bridge network — its two consumers (gateway, webui) are host-netns and reach it on loopback.
Exposure note: signal-cli-daemon is a host process, not a container
signal-cli-daemon.service runs as a user unit for dank
(systemctl --user cat signal-cli-daemon.service) with
org.asamk.signal.Main --account <redacted> daemon --http 0.0.0.0:8080. The
bind is all-interfaces, so the daemon's HTTP API is reachable from anywhere on
the LAN; verified from a second LAN machine with an unauthenticated
GET /v1/version → HTTP 404 and body <h1>404 Not Found</h1>No context found for request (Micronaut's no-route response), i.e. the socket answers to
strangers. The Hermes gateway in the host netns dials it on loopback, which is
the only reason a non-loopback bind is not required by any consumer here —
see Hermes for the consumer side.
See Also
- Hermes — the gateway + Signal daemon this page's address map is keyed on
- Hermes-Dashboard — the one Hermes container that is not in the host netns
- Hermes-WebUI — host-netns service with a
0.0.0.0bind and password-only auth - Network Architecture — the Caddy/Anubis/Authentik front door this map feeds