--- title: frank-primary — R9V radiance-vLLM Qwen3.8-Flash-Next Q8_0 service: frank-primary host: dankserver port: 7770 status: active deployed: 2026-09-27 supersedes: "[[frank-primary-r9v-radiance-qwen38-uncensored]]" tags: [llm, frank-primary, r9v, vllm, radiance, gfx1201, q8] --- # frank-primary — R9V radiance-vLLM Q8_0 (dankserver, ACTIVE) The Dankserver LLM endpoint is the **R9V radiance-vLLM fork** (`drwolfen/radiance-vllm-qwen4exp`, docker-pinned prebuilt image bundle `2dac17a2`) serving the **unsloth Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-GGUF Q8_0** payload (175.30 GiB, 6 GGUF shards, sha256-verified per part) with the blockfp8 MTP4 head and the mmproj, on **both R9700s** (gfx1201, BDFs `0000:03:00.0` / `0000:07:00.0`) as `frank-primary` on **:7770**. Cut over from the uncensored IQ4_XS payload on 2026-09-27 at Frank's direction. Rollback target: [[frank-primary-r9v-radiance-qwen38-uncensored]] — the uncensored state dir (`/home/dank/r9v-state/uncensored/`, `ready: true`), its frozen config (`restore-config-20260927.env`) and payload stay on disk; a rollback is an env-file `R9V_STATE_FILE` flip plus a redeploy. ## Why the swap The uncensored IQ4_XS payload measured 59–96 tok/s decode with draft-acceptance swings; the Q8_0 payload trades VRAM-resident expert headroom for precision — quantization to Q8_0 doubles expert bytes per block, so the tiered-expert residency budget halves — the probe-era 11 tok/s decode was residency-bound (expert streaming, not compute). The "Known costs" section below carries the accepted trade. ## Production shape (repo-tracked) The repo carries a **thin** wiring; the engine shape lives on-host: | Piece | File | Law | |---|---|---| | Unit | `scripts/frank-primary.service` | Root unit, `User=dank`, `LimitMEMLOCK=infinity`, `ExecStop=podman stop -t 120 frank-primary-r9v`, `Restart=on-failure` | | Env | `scripts/frank-primary.env` | Production overrides ONLY: bind 0.0.0.0, :7770, alias `frank-primary`, container `frank-primary-r9v`, GPU BDFs, dev-overlay adapter, `R9V_FULL_MUTABLE_CACHE=0`, `R9V_PLE_READY_TIMEOUT=1800`, prefix caching ON, sharp chat template | | Serve | `scripts/serve-frank-primary.sh` | Layers setup state under repo env → execs the fork's own `scripts/launch.sh` via the docker→podman shim → `docker wait` | | Deployer | `scripts/deploy-remote.sh` `deploy_llm_primary` | Gates on setup state ready, image digest, PLE bytes, all six shard files + mmproj; MainPID false-green check | **Why the tuned shape lives on-host:** the q8 profile's setup run qualified the `R9V_*` config (tiered-expert placement, per-rank offload budgets, 80-slot tiered cache, PLE **pinned** residency 54.4 GB, MTP4, parser wiring, `MAX_MODEL_LEN=131072`). It is written to `/home/dank/r9v-state/q8xl/setup.json` and the serve script layers it UNDER the repo env (repo keys win). Copying those values into the repo would drift from the qualification — don't. ## Spec decode: MTP4 only — the ngram-mod ask is NOT expressible llama.cpp chains drafter types (`--spec-type draft-mtp,ngram-mod` on frank-small/large). The fork's `speculative_config` is a **single dict** (one method per engine): `mtp`, `ngram`, `ngram_gpu`, `dflash`, … are mutually exclusive — no chaining seam exists in the fork. What IS active: - **MTP4** (`R9V_MTP_SPEC_TOKENS=4`, blockfp8 draft head, draft TP=2) — measured mean acceptance length 3.19–5.00 during qualification. - **The PLE n-gram** — architectural (`ngram_embedding` module), rides along automatically; it is not the llama.cpp `ngram-mod` matcher and cannot be "added" as a second spec method. - `ngram_gpu` exists as an ALTERNATIVE single method (fork's GPU n-gram proposer) — swapping MTP4 for it is an either/or, not a chain. ## Sharp chat template (fleet parity with frank-large) `scripts/qwen-sharp-v22.4.0.jinja` is served via the launcher's opt-in `R9V_CHAT_TEMPLATE_FILE` passthrough (fork commit `30d4a32`): the file is mounted read-only at `/opt/r9v/share/chat-template.jinja` and passed as `--chat-template`, which wins over the tokenizer dir's `metadata/chat_template.jinja`; `R9V_CHAT_TEMPLATE_KWARGS` carries `--default-chat-template-kwargs {"preserve_thinking":true}` (the template defaults `preserve_thinking` true natively; request-level kwargs still win per request). The template folds reasoning efforts (high/xhigh/max → xhigh, minimal/low → low), matching `models.yml`'s `reasoningEffortMap`. The sha-pinned `metadata/chat_template.jinja` in the package is NEVER edited in place — mutating it drifts the qualification. ## Two q8-only runtime laws 1. **Quantized inject shard** — the Q8_0 payload quantizes BOTH fused hyper-connection shards (the IQ4_XS package ships inject as F32), so the shard-uniformity check rejects the fused projection at load. `R9V_DEV_QWEN4_EXP_ADAPTER_PY` (fork commit `363d606`) mounts a dev-overlay adapter that dequantizes a quantized inject shard in-stream; uncensored payloads pass through unchanged. 2. **`R9V_FULL_MUTABLE_CACHE=0`** — the runtime overlay's `env.always` injects the uncensored 160-slot full-mutable cache geometry, which the q8 profile's 80-slot tiered cache fails with a baseline mismatch. The launcher passes this key AFTER the overlay envs (docker last-wins). ## Fork checkout + shim (on-host, outside the repo) - Checkout: `/home/dank/GitPackages/radiance-vllm-qwen4exp` (fork commits `363d606` dev-overlay, `2fe6dbb`, `50a79ec` qualification doc, `30d4a32` chat-template passthrough, `2de0357` PLE-timeout forwarding — local-only, remote is GitHub) - State: `/home/dank/r9v-state/q8xl/setup.json` (0600, `ready: true`) - Model dir: `/home/dank/models/Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-Q8_0-R9V/` — 175.30 GiB payload as six `Q8_0/Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-Q8_0-0000N-of-00006.gguf` shards + mmproj; PLE derived at the pinned size 54,400,261,120 B - Docker→podman shim: `/home/dank/GitPackages/radiance-vllm-qwen4exp/.podman-shim/docker` (PATH-prepended by the serve script). The R9V tooling is docker-pinned; the shim carries three laws: 1. **Image ID law** — the bundle is a containerd/OCI docker-save; docker keys the image by its OCI MANIFEST digest (`sha256:2dac17a2…`), podman by config digest but preserves the manifest digest in **RepoDigests**. The shim answers `image inspect sha256:X` from RepoDigests and rewrites bare `sha256:X` run refs to `repo@sha256:X`. 2. **LogConfig law** — podman inspect answers `HostConfig.LogConfig.Config: null` where docker returns the log-opts map (the doctor crashes on `.get("Config", {}) == null`). The shim records `run --log-opt` pairs and normalizes inspect output. 3. **docker info law** — podman lacks `SecurityOptions`/`ServerVersion`; the shim answers rootless + `27.5.1` (liveness probe). - venv: `~/.r9v-venv` (huggingface_hub for fetch/verify) ## Bring-up battery (qualification, 2026-09-27) - Setup `ready: true`; all 20 payload artifacts size+sha256 verified (175.30 GiB total across the six shards). - Vision: 64×64 red PNG → "Red" (79 tok, 7.4 s end-to-end on the scratch port). Prose: 100 tok in 9.1 s ≈ 11.0 tok/s wall **on a cold cache with reasoning tokens included in the wall clock** — decode-rate context, not a bench (no throughput bench was run, per Frank's direction). - MTP4: mean acceptance length 3.19–5.00 across the battery. - PLE pinned proof: `mapping_bytes = mapping_rss_bytes = 54,400,261,120` (fully RSS-resident); doubling for re-pin would need 108,800,522,240 ≤ available 140,876,808,192; registration took 446 s. ## Memory shape (measured) - Load: 21.84 GiB / worker at ~158 s; cold start → serve ~16 min. - PLE pinned residency 54.4 GB in host RAM (vs the uncensored payload's ssd-mmap residency). - Context envelope: `R9V_MAX_MODEL_LEN=131072`; harness `models.yml` carries `contextWindow: 131072`, `maxTokens: 36864` (compaction-gap math: 70% × 131,072 = 91,750 + 36,864 = 128,614 ≤ 131,072). The KV envelope at 131,072 is smaller than the uncensored 196,608 shape. - Prefix caching OFF at cutover (`R9V_ENABLE_PREFIX_CACHING=0`), CACHE192 off — superseded 2026-09-28: prefix caching is ON (see bench matrix below). ## Prefill / decode bench matrix (2026-09-28, scratch port 7773) Production stopped for the window (fleet bench law); one matrix plus three follow-up runs, fork's own bench-pp + decode_speed harness, corpus-sliced prompts with the fork's canonical decode rounds. Baseline E0 = production shape (chunk 4096, 80-slot sync cache, MTP4): | Config | Override | PP8K tok/s | PP131K tok/s | Decode | Verdict | |---|---|---|---|---|---| | E0 | — | 954.6 | 883.0 | 141.9 ms/step ≈ 23.8 t/s eff | baseline | | E1R | chunk 8192 | **1201.4 (+25.9%)** | 844.6 (−4.4%) | 158.5 ms (−8.5% t/s) | short-prompt win, decode tax | | E2 | chunk 16384 | — | — | — | boots; 33.3/34.2 GiB VRAM (0.93 free) → requests hang/OOM | | E1/E3 | chunk 8192/32768 | — | — | — | PLE registration blew the 600 s engine timeout (see law below) | | E4 | cache async=1 | — | — | — | doctor: cache-prepare backend requires synchronous single-fill LRU | | E5/E6 | 96/112 slots | — | — | — | doctor: capacities (48, 64, 80) only; expert-budget [108, 198] rank maxima — **80 is the policy max, prod is at it** | | E7 | MTP depth 6 | 843.1 | 819.6 | 454–489 ms/step (3.7x worse) | depth 4 stays | Laws from the matrix: - **4096 is the prefill-chunk ceiling twice over**: the engine caps scheduled tokens by the speculative config, and E2's VRAM (0.93 GiB free at 16384) shows bigger chunks OOM at request time. 883–955 tok/s is what this payload shape delivers at long context. - **Unqualified shapes fail mid-request, not at health** — E2 and E7 both answered /health 200 and then died streaming. - **PLE registration can exceed the 600 s engine timeout** (`VLLM_PLE_OFFLOAD_READY_TIMEOUT`) under page-cache churn — measured 740 s after a bench teardown; a production boot failed on it the same morning (unit "Deactivated successfully", no error in journal — the serve script exits 0 on the wait). Fixed with `R9V_PLE_READY_TIMEOUT=1800` in `frank-primary.env` (forwarded by launch.sh `2de0357`). Prefix caching (E8/E9, `R9V_ENABLE_PREFIX_CACHING=1`, same port): **zero VRAM cost** (hits reuse freed KV blocks; load VRAM identical to E0), cold path unchanged (first request ≈ cold bench), reuse hits large — 32k prompt TTFT 44.2 s → **3.6–4.3 s** (9x), 131k 439 s → **6.9 s** (63x). Hit pattern: rounds 1–2 miss, round 3+ hit (identical-prompt and conversation-growth probes both). For the harness's resend-every-turn traffic that is a ~40–440 s TTFT win per steady-state turn; the one-turn miss costs nothing extra. **DEPLOYED 2026-09-28** (Frank's go-ahead): the repo env sets `R9V_ENABLE_PREFIX_CACHING=1` (commit `41e9189`), verified on :7770 (`--enable-prefix-caching` in the container argv, health 200, live completion answering). ## Authoring a new profile (the qualification pipeline) Order matters at every step: 1. **Package manifest** `packages/models//package.json` — target shards + aux artifacts with sha256. Verify every target's byte count AND sha256 after fetch (`curl -fL -C -` per shard; never trust a fetch without `-f`). 2. **Placement bootstrap** from GGUF headers: parse all shards' tensor tables (a KV-only shard1 is normal for split parts; each part carries its own tensor table). Per-expert full per layer = (`ffn_gate_exps` + `ffn_up_exps` + `ffn_down_exps`)/512; rank slices rank0 = full×416//640, rank1 = full−rank0. Hot counts = floor(measured_budget / per-expert total). **Anchor budgets to the MEASURED hot_bytes of the qualified sibling profile, never invented.** 3. **Trim + validate**: `tools/trim_experts.py --hot-counts N,M`, then `expert_budget.validate_manifest(m)` + `expert_budget.expert_memory(m, slots, {cache_rank}, runtime=)` (runtime/catalog are keyword-only). Declared hot_bytes must match computed or it raises. 4. **PLE derive** (containerized `tools/prepare_ple.py` with `--expected-bytes/--expected-type/--expected-shape`); setup skips re-derivation when the file exists with matching size. 5. **profile.env**: set values BEFORE `source dual-r9700/profile.env` (set-first-wins; an empty string does NOT survive `:=`). The canonical bootstrap.json wrapper schema is exactly `{schema: "r9v.placement.v1", id, model_package, hardware, artifact_path, artifact_sha256, scope}` with `hardware: "dual-r9700-32gb-asymmetric"`; the wrapper `id` MUST equal the id in the profile.json placement descriptor (setup rejects mismatches: "does not match profile placement"). Never fabricate qualification metadata — use `scope: "Unranked routing bootstrap only; does not certify fit or headroom"`. GGUF parsing laws for the bootstrap: expert tensor names are `blk.0.ffn_up_exps.weight` — split on "." gives FOUR parts, layer number is parts[1] (a 3-part assumption crashes `int("")`); outer-KV value-type sizes `{0:1,1:1,2:2,3:2,4:4,5:4,6:4,7:1,8:str,9:arr,10:8,11:8,12:8}`; tensor byte extents from consecutive OFFSETS, never a type-size table (mis-buckets tails silently); the PLE Q8_0 tensor on this arch is shape (160, 320001536), 54,400,261,120 B, an entire shard. Setup/start: `./r9v setup --state-dir --model-dir --image sha256: --local-image --reuse-from --accept-model-license` (aux artifacts reuse byte-identical files; F16 vs Q8 mmproj will not reuse). Start requires the SAME `--state-dir`; fixed placement via `R9V_EXPERT_MANIFEST_PATH` skips headroom/catalog/seed raises. The host-only doctor FAILs when another instance holds the cards (it wants 3 GiB free per rank; production at ~30 GiB/card is a hard wall) — a second instance CANNOT coexist, so qualification requires a stop+mask window for the incumbent, then unmask+restart. **Qualification gate (unqualified → qualified):** first start runs the workload battery (PONG / tool_calls / vision / long-ctx), the PLE pinning proof (`VmLck` ≈ PLE bytes in `/proc//status` when RESIDENCY_MODE=pinned), and a VRAM headroom snapshot (floor 3.3 GiB). If headroom is violated, lower hot counts via re-trim and re-derive MAX_EFFECTIVE. Only then record state `ready: true` and author the runbook. Remote-execution gotchas from the same windows: `nohup X &` inside an ssh command races ssh teardown — the script can die before writing a byte; run long remote scripts synchronously, or setsid + disown, or via a system unit. zsh login shells abort on unquoted `===` separators; grep globs need quoting through ssh+zsh layers. ## Ops - **Restart**: `sudo systemctl restart frank-primary` (root unit; the serve script re-gates everything, relaunch through the shim, waits). - **First start after boot** re-warms ~175 GiB of page cache; expect minutes to /health; `TimeoutStartSec=1800`. - **Scratch/probe**: NEVER probe against the prod state dir. Copy it, set `R9V_HOST_PORT` to a free port and `R9V_CONTAINER_NAME` to a scratch name, and stop the probe before any deploy — a probe holding :7770 produces a false-green deploy (the 2026-09-26 lesson, guarded by the MainPID check). - **Rollback to uncensored**: point `scripts/frank-primary.env` `R9V_STATE_FILE` back at `/home/dank/r9v-state/uncensored/setup.json`, drop the two q8-only keys (adapter, FULL_MUTABLE_CACHE) and the template keys, redeploy — the uncensored state dir and payload are intact on disk. - **Models on the wire**: served alias `frank-primary`; thinking channel is `reasoning` (vLLM); tool parser `qwen3_coder`. ## Known costs (accepted at cutover) - **Residency-halved experts** — Q8_0 doubles expert bytes vs IQ4_XS, so the tiered cache holds half as many experts in VRAM at the same budget; the probe's 11 tok/s decode was residency-bound, and the production number depends on the re-qualified budgets in the q8 state. - **128K envelope** — down from the uncensored 196,608 (which itself was down from 262,144 on llama.cpp). - **Reference quant** — back to the unsloth Q8_0 weights (no abliteration); answer-quality profile differs from the uncensored incumbent by design. - **Docker-pinned fork** — updates flow through image bundles + the shim, never a bare container run; the launcher stays the single argv owner.